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If you installed the liveware 3 workaround then that is how you lost it. Good luck getting it back <g>. If not, then your GeForce botched it. I installed the WDM Sblive drivers and software from Dell and still have hibernation. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

SHS - you are just envious because you didn't do it <g>. lol ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Hi SHS - I don't think the fix is going to work for everyone - hope it will - but suspect it won't. Did you try reenabling pci steering when you uninstalled last night after removing as much LW software as you could? ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

For those having problems because of a previous install of Liveware3 a la A. Toste, I am pasting a post from the sblive ng on CL's server from a guy who said he was able to do it successfully. Your mileage may vary... <Begin Paste>I also had this problem and I had attempted to install the hacked Liveware 3 fix - this never worked for me as I choose to ignore (actually overlooked) the SMP limitation but the remnants were still on my PC. First, I uninstalled the SBLive WDM from device manager. Then I unistalled the creative software from add/remove programs. Finally I had to boot into my win98 config to remove all the files installed from the hack 'run.cmd' file. Upon reboot to W2K the basic SBlive WDM drivers were installed - I then upgraded the driver, rebooted and installed the software portion. Things are working fine now. Hope this works for others as well. <END PASTE> If you have questions, take them to the newsgroup. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Glad to hear it - hopefully a few others won't have to reformat and reinstall! So far you are the 2nd. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Another addon - I just pulled this off of the sblive ng:I know we're all fired up about this Dell liveware affair, but before plunging headlong into it and then wondering why it's not all working as you want it you need to get rid of a couple files - otherwise Win2k may intermittantly re-insert some of the old drivers. Here's a checklist of what to look for before you go on: 1. Make sure you've unchecked the "Hide system files and folders" and "Hide extensions for known file types" in your Folder Options preferences. 2. Remove the audio card from the device manager 3. Now remove the following files (I'd suggest making a temp folder and placing them there for safe keeping) ** .\Winnt\Inf : any files called Oem1, Oem 2, etc. There'll be both inf and pnf versions ** .\Winnt\Inf : look for and remove any of the "wdma_*.inf" files that reference Creative and or SB. ** .\Winnt\Driver Cache\I386 : Rename the driver.cab file, and for safe measure put it in the temp folder too. You can always put it back when you're done here.... ** .\Winnt\System32\drivers : Get rid of any soundblaster related .sys files ** .\Winnt\System32\dllcache : make sure that there isn't any duplicate .sys files in the dllcache folder. If there are then win2k will replace the .sys files in the \drivers folder as soon as you exit that directory. *** You'll know you got rid of the .sys files if win2k gives you an error message complaining about missing system files. Go ahead and answer affirmatively that you'd want to proceed with the new or missing files. 4. Give it a reboot for good measure. 5. Now your Win2k is flushed of all residual wdm drivers and you're all set to install the new ones. Make note of the files that win2k will prompt you for as it's a good idea to keep tabs on what it's doing. The rest is pretty much strightforward. Hope this helps some of you relieve your frustration and get groovin' with all the bells and whistles (well, most of them anyway..) <end cut> I suggest very strongly following these instructions prior to reinstalling the card to insure that any offending remnant of driver is gone. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Two suggestions: First, post questions to the CL SBlive newsgroup (news.soundblaster.com) and see if others have the same problem and can help you out. Secondly - have you checked for irq conflicts or other hardware conflicts? If I were you I would uninstall the sblive drivers and apps, shut down, pull the card and restart the computer, put the card back in and start from scratch. Are you using Win2k Pro or Server? Are you both using the final retail build of Win2k? ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Addendum - in the forum search for messages from a guy named trippma. He is the one who said he did it. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

AFAIK, D3D works as does video overlay. The 3dfx tools applet is just not properly detecting it. Don't worry if you can run everything well <g>. I haven't heard about a fix, but did you have the developer beta drivers installed these final drivers? If so, did you uninstall 3dfx tools and clear out all the files before installing the new ones? ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

From everything I have heard in the past 24 hours, install of LW3=Reformat/reinstall. If Anthony Toste (the author of the LW3 install workaround) couldn't get rid of LW3 so it wouldn't interfere with the Dell drivers and software, then I sure know I couldn't. I sincerely hope that someone figures out how to do it - I started a thread in the sblive ng on CL's server for someone to post instructions how to do it, and NOT ONE person has been able to. Good luck :-) ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Get a Partition Magic 5 boot disk and delete/create and NTFS partition? It does a speedy format. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

LOL - sorry to be the devil's advocate, but Creative didn't suggest we find some way of installing Liveware 3 when it wasn't designed to work with Win2k:-) Luckily I discovered this a couple of months ago when I installed LW3 and then tried to uninstall it. Since then I have tried to warn others not to do it because they would regret it when the proper drivers are released. Hopefully in 2 weeks you haven't had time to reinstall everything <g>. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Glad to hear it - I just wish there was some way to get my TV card audio to come from all 4 speaker - I am using a cdrom pass through (cable from cdrom to tv card to soundcard) but the speaker applet does not permit moving the cd output to any position in space, and environments do not apply to that channel. If you can figure out how to make that work I would be very much in your debt :-) ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

No fix - I have been speaking with A. Toste (the generous gentleman who figured out how to install LW3) and he couldn't get rid of LW3 well enough so as to permit successful installation of the new drivers. If he couldn't, I suspect that most others couldn't. Reformat/Reinstall - just think of how happy you will be with a nice clean new system. You can reenable acpi and use hibernation. Have fun :-) ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Mad - Did you by any chance install the modified LW3/NT4 combo made by Anthony? If so, a reformat/reinstall will be necessary. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

DOH! Sorry, stupid me <g>. I thought you were talking about the silly keyboard app that comes with liveware! Don't know about that. Line In is greyed out, however, which is a bummer because my tv card runs through that line. Is your line in greyed out under audiohq/speaker/panning source ? Sorry for the misunderstanding :-) ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Hmmm.. it worked for me - don't really like the keyboard much but played twinkle twinkle little star on it <g>. In all seriousness, I was playing with it earlier and it worked fine. Windows 2000 pro (retail). ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

Jabba - did you install the driver first, using Update Driver under SB Live WDM and then use the "Have Disk" method of installing them, rebooting, and then installing the apps? Other users, John Fournier (a guy from the CL sblive ng) installed them on his non-value card. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

It's actually listed in the install notes when you start the setup routine as Liveware 2.2 released July, 1999. LOL. Kind of makes me wonder of Dell didn't get ahold of WDM drivers, then recode LW2 to work with it. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

How about you try it and let us know <g>? C'mon - I dare ya! ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

DrSchmoe - these drivers work with the full SBLive, not just the Value. Put that in your pipe and smoke it <g>. LOL ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

APV_SAV - the only reason I can think of is that Dell has a licensing agreement with Creative that prohibits Creative from scooping them on driver updates. Whatever it is, it makes Creative look like crap. I can't believe that I am getting better support from Dell than from Creative when I don't even have a Dell system! ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

They work! Hibernation even works with them and the system will resume from hibernation, but won't resume from standby. Otherwise it is Liveware 2.2 with WDM drivers. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

The only thing that worked was taking the be****ted thing out of my computer and replacing it with a hauppauge WinTV PCI. If you check the Windows 2000 FAQ on their website, they have a TBA next to the TV Wonder. I take that to mean: Not Bloody Soon. The WinTV PCI does everything except for video desktop and tv at a max res of 640X480. Other than that they are identical but hauppauge gives better driver support. Sorry for the bad news :-( ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!

OMFG! I just got home and saw that these are available. Those f****ing b****rds at Creative. Dell can release this (which I am greedily downloading as I type) but the manufacturer of the card will not release them. That burns my ass! Thanks Michael Dell and no thanks Creative :-( I am going to do a system backup before installing these - this should be VERY interesting. ------------------ Shrink 92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!