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Pr-man.....implied and stated are two different things! As for the 486 machine comment....you have NO clue do you? -Q

felix......and your point would be? My name is that way for a reason. I didn't want to have the same name as a popular airline! -Q

Arin, where the hell did I say "Win2k sucks"?????? Well???? I didn't....if you read my first post under the other thread....I had issues with driver support, apps not working under win2k, and a commment about MS in general I never said that Win2k as a whole sucked. There are things about Win2k I like. Quit sniffing paint fumes and come back down to the real world. -Q

Geo....i'm sorry, but i'll put my Windows NT, Windows 9X, hardware, software, networking knowledge against yours anyday. This isn't perosnal, just fact. Sometimes it is really hard to make a point on these forums. Plus, when I did my test post to see what reactions i'd get, I already had a bad opinion in everone's eyes. I'm done...i've made my point and they are correct (in my eyes and many others, including trade publications, some of which I received today). Out.. -Q

Uh...one other thing. In reference to Brain Stew's comment "...Also, Microsoft is not responsible for the apps and drivers that come out for Win2k...". Yes and no to the that. It all has to do with the relationship between software and hardware manuf. companies. An example is the instruction sets used on the AMD processors (3DNOW). In the beginning game companies where trying to intergrate the code to use 3DNOW into their games but they had major problems. So, AMD decided that in order to make the 3DNOW instruction sets successful (and in turn their processes), AMD assigned engineers to some of these game companies to get the game code correct. It worked and was done before the games even went gold. Yeah there were and still are exceptions, but i'm trying to present a point here. This is the same thing that MS and hardware manufactures should have done but they didn't. It is the same thing......if they are having problems (which should have been resolved during beta tests), MS should have gotten involved and helped solve the driver creation issues. -Q

Get off your f'ing high horse. Following the normal "Shop Symantec" there is only a reference to Win9X, and NT. I agree that the link posted does reference Win2k support, but going through the "Shop Symantec" link, there is nothing that shows that. It is buried under all the crap. Also, if you follow the posted link above and then click on "Purchase from Shop Symantec", it DOES NOT reference Win2k on that page. So, no i'm not dumb, I just didn't find THAT specific page with THAT specific wording! As for McAfee....well unless it says Win2k, I don't install it (when it comes to AV, etc. type software). I have had way to many problems and don't want to "hack" installs or setups. It will just cause more problems in the future. Cut/Pastre from their site: Norton AntiVirus 2000 6.0 for Windows 95/98/NT Norton AntiVirus from Symantec is the #1 anti-virus software in the world. Purchase Norton AntiVirus 2000 6.0 for $36 downloadable for Win 95/98 or Win NT or for $39.95 packaged for Win 95/98/NT. Archaon....when Win95 came out, yeah everyone knew that support would take a while. It was a totally different OS from Win 3.1. Think about it...plug and play, true dialup...a completely different core. Yeah, Win2k and Win98 are different but the under lying core is similar (if some win9X and NT apps all work on top of the OS, it can't be that different). Also, things in the internet have changed greatly since then (being more internet games, etc.). You just can't compare Win 3.1/Win95 to Win98/Win2k. And just cause YOUR apps/games work just fine doesn't mean everyone elses will. Hardware combinations are too numerous to even count. I know about 5 people that tried Win2k, had apps/game problems, tried doing the "hack" thing and they weren't successful. Why should I have to "hack" anything anyways. As for Arin....you are just so intelligent! If you don't have anything good to say regarding this discussion, then don't. -Q

My main reason for this post was to see what everyone would think and respond with. Now, I need to respond back to some of these comments. Darkone....As for the merger of Windows 9X and Win2k, yes Win2k was supposed to start the merger between Win9X and NT. This was about 1-2 years ago. But, MS reliezed that they couldn't do it in such a short period of time. If that was the case, why the hell didn't MS think about that before they even mentioned it to the public. Nova...all I can say is that ALL my hardware is less than 3 months old and "name brand". I build my open computers and select the best of everything. Maybe that is why Win2k doesn't work well is because of "too new" hardware. But, when companies release "canidate" drivers for their products, it just shows that they haven't taken the time and effort to release drivers that work and are stable. Win2k has been in beta for why too long for companies not to release a stable driver. And why are drivers released so much faster under win98. Maybe cause the Win2k code is screwy (and way to much code... maybe like Cobol???....50 lines to print something one the screen). And why the hell did ZDNet find a document stating that win2k had 64K bugs (not that I believe it) but it is just another element added to the stack. DosFreak.....NV 2000 doesn't work with Win2k. It only works with Win9X and NT. Yes, there are shareware versions of AV software, but when I pay for one, I shouldn't have to search around and buy another version from somewhere else...not to mention definition updates. The main reason I posted the message was to just see what response i'd get back. I'm sorry but the effort required to get Win2k running stable just isn't worth it. True, some apps work just fine, but when you install a couple not so "mainstream" ones and they start acting funny, it just is annoying as hell. If you read some of the "high on your horse" comments on the forums, people make win2k sound so wonderful. But in reality, Win2k is still in beta test....in terms of beta testing to see what apps and drivers don't work and where companies have put time and effort to get things to work. There is no way I could put only win2k on my system. I work from home....some of those corporate apps (off the shelf too) just don't install or work correctly. Then you have gamers.....no comment there. Just read the gamer forum posts. As for Windows ME...that is just an upgrade/bug fix for Windows 9X. However it also includes a few new apps and the Win2k desktop layout/icons. One other thing...why is there already an update to win2k that fixes compatibility issues with some apps and a good number of games? Coding issues???? And I feel sorry for people that buy Win2k (good chunk of $$$) and then find out that some of there apps/games, etc don't work. Talk about an expensive beta test for those people. I guess i'll look back at Win2k once 2-3 service packs are released. Hmmmmm...just like Win NT....took them enough service packs to get things right.....actually it was FOUR! LOL -Q

Microsoft yet again failed to bridge the gap between Windows and NT. Win2k is just another NT....great for businesses and some individuals. Drivers for gamers suck or just don't exist, 50% of applications just don't run or have major problems (try and find an AV application for win2k!). And what is the incentive for a company to port apps from Win9X to Win2k when Windows 98 is still alive and well (aka Windows ME). Microsoft screwed up yet again...SURPRISE, NOT! -Q

Well, I don't have a GeForce video card, but I do have a TNT2 card by Diamond. Whenever I use the drivers later than 3.65 (I don't have 3.66), I get random lockups that require a hard reboot. Here are my specs: AMD Athlon 500@700 196MB PC100 RAM Asus K7M MB Diamond TNT2 Adaptec 2940UW Pro SCSI Card Creative SB Live Value Quantum 13G 7200 UDMA66 Drive All the hardware and drivers for Win9X work just fine. Just these Nvidia drivers. -Q

I have tried all the drivers since Nvidia's leaked 3.65 drivers and they all have crashed my win2k system. Has anyone had this problem and solved it? Did 3.78 work for ya? And if so, how did you get it to work. I want to see if i'm doing something wrong (when I uninstall and then reinstall the drivers) or if these drivers are just buggy and cause hard system crashes. -Q

Well, just tried the 3.78 Nvidia drivers off of Nvidia's site and seconds after the reboot was completed my system hung. So, in other words, if you system hung in the past, don't bother with these drivers. Is Nvidia ever gonna come out with a driver that won't crash/hang windows 2K. Ever since 3.68, the drivers crash my system hard (which requires a hardware reset). Come on Nvidia, get with the show and listen up....fix this crash problem!!!! -Q

Well, just tried the 3.78 Nvidia drivers off of Nvidia's site and seconds after the reboot was completed my system hung. So, in other words, if you system hung in the past, don't bother with these drivers. Is Nvidia ever gonna come out with a driver that won't crash/hang windows 2K. Ever since 3.68, the drivers crash my system hard (which requires a hardware reset). Come on Nvidia, get with the show and listen up....fix this crash problem!!!! -Q

Just download Powerstrip version 2.6 and install it under win2k. You can adjust your gamma, brightness, etc under this tool. You can also have it load at startup and change your gamma to a preset value. I use it and all games and apps work just fine. I don't have darkness problems anymore. Try www.download.com or www.hotfiles.com and do a search for it. -Q

Well 3.76 introduces the random lockups again (just like 3.69 and 3.75)! I reverted back to 3.65 and my system is stable again. What is the deal???? Well since there aren't any officially released, there must be problems. I think i'm just gonna wait until an official release is avaialble before messing with my video card drivers again. -Q

First....a XXXXXX.iso file is an ISO file that needs to be burned using Adaptec's Easy CD creator 3.X or 4.X. Just install and burn using one of those versions. As for installed Linux...you just have to have another partition available to install Linux. Just use an application like partition magic to resize and assign a new partiton. Once you have this partition, you can install Linux. -Q