FrogMaster

I just swapped a regular Celeron 466 o'clocked to 567 MHz for a Celeron2 566 o'clocked to 705 MHz on my secondary machine (MSI 6163 Pro slot 1 mboard, GeForce SDR). It is a dual boot Win2k/Win98 setup. In Win2k I get roughly the same fps in Q3A as with my main machine (BP6 2x583 MHz, GeForce DDR), which is consistent. The strange thing is that in Win98 I get only half the Win2k fps with the new processor, and only in Q3A! BTW, fps performances are the same with both oses on the BP6 box. Both machines have 192 megs of ram and the video drivers are all the same (5.22). Performance of other apps seems ok. Only Q3A is slower (yes, I did reinstalled Q3A and applied latest patch, but no change, also tried several 5.xx driver sets to no avail). The two machines are home-lan networked. Has anyone a clue or at least a logical explanation? Thx in advance

I'll have a look at that. What I did is an upload of the Q3A folder from the BP6 (SMP) machine to the MSI 6163pro Celery 2 monoproc machine, then edited the cdkey file to enter the key string for the other Q3A retail cd (I have 2 of them). To be safe, I applied then the latest patch. Seta r_smp is set to "0". Would it be possible that some component of the prog does "remember" it used to be installed on a dual processor machine??? I'll do a clean reinstall of Q3A during the week-end to see what happens. As far as the Celery2 is concerned, yes, it will boot into both oses when o'clocked to 850 MHz (1.65 volt core, which is standard cumine core PIIIe voltage) but will lock as soon as a 3d app is launched. The chip gets very hot and I believe I need a very good fan/cooler to get it stable. So, here is my to-do list: - check L2 cache status and latency - reinstall Q3A - reinstall Win98. Thanks for your input guys. I'll keep you informed. I love this prob and I'll fix it

Yes, it is a Celeron 2 (cumine, mono proc). FSB is set to 83 MHz to go to 705. It would go easily to 95 MHz (807 MHs core) but would lock soon after a 3d app has been launched. I use Intel crappy stock cooler because I did not find a better one yet. BTW, guys, the chip is so small that it is very difficult to achieve a proper thermal contact ... and it gets very hot. Probably needs a copper cooler for good heat conduction. Q3A is the only app which seems concerned. Everything is OK with DXdiag, AGP, tried all possible settings in OGL and D3D property sheets. All other games I tried (HL, UT...) work fine. The only difference I noticed thu is in WCPUID applet. It reads L2 cache latency=2 with the cumine and latency=3 with the regular Celeron (set to 3 instead of 5 with Hoda's L2cache applet). Would it be possible that for some reasons I get a huge number of L2 cache misses under Win98 running Q3A? The idea that L2 cache could simply be disabled is also worth to be digged out. I'll have a look at that and let you know. Anyway, thanks for any other thought you may have. It is an interesting hardware issue.

Please do a little search on this forum. This topic has been addressed here very recently.

ADSL works great here. Very easy to set up (external modem). ------------------ Abit BP6 - RU bios - 2*Celery@583 MHz - 192 MB Pc100 Ram - Seagate 6 GB - Seagate 4 GB - HPT66 IBM 20 GB Ultra 66 - Iomega // Zip100 - Toshiba DVD SD-M1212 - CDR Sony CDU 928E - HP Deskjet 815C - Philips Vesta Pro Webcam - NIC HP 10/100 - Elsa Erazor X2 GeForce 256 DDR - Sound Blaster AWE 32- Alcatel 1000 ADSL - Dual boot WIN2K Pro 2195 and Win 98

Strange! My main machine is W2K final (paid for with hard-earned money). So far so good... I installed "old" RC3-2183 on my secondary machine because I didn't want to install the same version again because of licence/legal stuff. I must confess I'm honest. Believe me or not, but $250 is not so much for me. If I need another copy, I just buy it. Sorry for people who cannot afford No prob so far until I applied service pack 1 to this RC3 installation. After applying SP1, the system reports I have 2195 licensed US version installed! Where am I ??? It seems that SP1 upgrades to final or not? Is this piracy or somebody's incompetence at Microsoft? Has anybody tried this trick out there? What are your opinions, expert guys?

Let's be logical: 1/ RC3 was supposed to die 120 days after installation, not on the very day of final release. So, RC3 is legit for 120 days whatever the date of installation. 2/ I do not remember having heard that it is not legal to apply SP1 to RC3. 3/ I no longer have RC3 on my machine because winver reports I have Windows 2000 2195, licensed to xxxx, number yyyyyyy, blah, etc. My preliminary conclusions are: 1/ This installation seems to be legal. 2/ M$ sc***d themselves. What do you think?

inf file, that's right. change refresh rate for whatever resolution and depth color you want for your video card type. Be careful not to change the structure or the file thu. Keep the tabs as they are.

You are right Furious Some people have probs because they believe that all pci slots are born equal. On a standard mobo, at least three pci slots do share hardware resources. One shares with agp, Another one shares with isa, Another one may well share with ata 66. This means it is not an os issue but a mere hardware one. Also the bios is there to help freeing resources. For example, if you do not use serial ports (you have cable or dsl), just disable them in the bios. If your printer is networked, disable irq 7. If you don't use usb, disable it in the bios. If some add-on card is nervous about the irq it uses, allocate it in the bios. Help the os and it will do the job more easily.

Plz everybody stop bothering with this irq story if you have an Intel chipset: - ACPI allocates irqs as it likes to and you cannot interfere with. - Having one thousand add-ons cards reported as sharing the same irq (W2K's favourites seems to be 9 and 11) does not matter at all!!! - You may even find that your harware uses fancy irqs like 68, 75, 138, ... just don't care. The os is there to do the job of properly allocating resources. There are so many posts about this pseudo-prob I'm getting mad. Win2k does the job. Period. Is this so difficult to understand?

This is the sh***st post I have ever read!!! What do you mean???? What is new???? There are 1000ds forums and sites out there!!! I go to bed!!!

I do not remember having seen this on this forum, so I post the info. Abit have released the RU version of the bios for the BP6. It is supposed to fix the abnormal 50% and more idle cpu load in Win2K some people report. I've been a victim of this syndrome, so I'm happy

No need to reinstall. Just flash from plain old dos and reboot. I have had no prob with this new one since I flashed

In fact, Quake 2 has no installer! Just copy the "data" folder from the CD to wherever you want. Then select the whole folder and change all the package property to remove the read-only attribute coming from the CD. The prog will thus be able to write to the *.cfg files where your settings and preferences sit. Rename the "data" folder to "Quake2" so that all utilities around there may find it easily. Make a shortcut to the executable. Download and apply the latest patch to upgrade. You're done! Enjoy Q2 runs great and fast under W2K.

Aaaaarrrgghhhh!!! Preacher's tweak works only for the first 3 to 5 (random number) grenades. After a few grenades have been launched by one or several players (it is the total number of grenades that seems decisive) this da***d black squares are back!!! Do someone have a clue why this happens that way? Some memory buffer full ??? I wonder...

ACPI is doing the job to properly allocate harware irqs in the background. Don't bother, it is perfectly normal

Try this: /cg_thirdperson 1 (default 0) turns on/off third person view. /cg_thirdpersonrange # (default 40) changes the distance from you and your player model ; try 75, 85 or 100 to begin with. /cg_thirdpersonangle # (default 0) changes the angle that you see your player model. Cheats must be on for this to work

Preacher thanks alot Random corrupt textures prob have gone and also the trailing black squares. I run UT in 1024x768 32-bit everything maxed in preferences and get average 45 to 50 smooth fps in the Liandri level staying in the huge central room. Very playable indeed. I get 15 to 20 fps less in d3d, with lots of stuttering. So opengl rulz for me ------------------ Abit BP6 - QQ bios - 2*Celery@583 MHz - 192 MB Pc100 Ram - Seagate 6 GB - Seagate 4 GB - HPT66 IBM 20 GB Ultra 66 - Iomega // Zip100 - Toshiba DVD SD-M1212 - CDR Sony CDU 928E - HP Deskjet 815C - Philips Vesta Pro Webcam - NIC HP 10/100 - Elsa Erazor X2 GeForce 256 DDR - Sound Blaster AWE 32- Alcatel 1000 ADSL - Dual boot WIN2K Pro 2195 and Win 98

Preacher, Would you please tell more about the UT ini file tweak to optimize ogl? After reading this topic, I discovered that besides the black squares thing, sometimes I get weird textures (like random color pixels) on some weapons. Not all the time though. Tia.

On all my machines, ogl has always been faster than d3d : I want fps! As far as the black trailing squares are concerned, I don't really care as I never use the rocket launcher. My preferred weapons in UT are the sniper riffle when it is available, or a pair of auto guns : fast and clean frags. I miss a q3a style gauntlet though, that's is real sport. I agree with you and cannot wait to grab a Voodoo 6000 to play smoking glide

If acpi is enabled, don't bother with all these shared irqs. It is not a bug, it is a feature. Most people have the same irq 9 multi-setup and it seems normal in Win2k. Acpi does distribute the right irqs in the background so that there is no conflict. You better search elsewhere for the lockups.

LedZep, If most of us want opengl support, this is because: - ogl is faster, much faster in fact - ogl allows to get rid of M$ monopoly a little bit - ogl games are easier to port to other oses - 3d design software is for ogl - the future is with platform/os independent software: watch for how the split of M$ will change things.. BTW if Epic does not support it, I'll stop buying their games - there is a life after UT and tons of very good stuff elsewhere

No ogl in UT S**t!!

So, I tried again. I copied everything in safe mode then rebooted to normal mode : none copied file will stay but the two ones I already quoted in my previous post Seems file protection won't let me do that??? Is there a safe way to force Win2k to accept the new files? I don't want to s**** my box again doing the copy operation the dirty way, ie from Win98 or even dos.

Hummmmm ... Same for me ... Never saw any in the tons of games I have played ... What do you call s**?