INFERNO2000

This thing is ****ing sweet!

it's fine with me! I'd have to format anyway....and Win2K is more expensive than Win9x. As long as the laptop is 2K compatible, I'm fine with it. in fact...my 9x/Me Toshiba is about 600 less than the next model up-which does have 2k

yep, I thought so too 500 bucks less than a comparable Dell, no touchpad(I hate touchpads!)....and only 80 dollars more than what I was looking at (a Vaio Duron 800 with an ATI and much much less perfomrance wice) only bad thing is I have to pay my dad back(used his credit card) immediately, rather than financing it for a year. *sigh* which is why I'm selling Dissonance. anyone wanna buy a computer look at what's below--600 bucks

Hell, why not bring them together. Hooters and a LANparty First off--LAN PARTY Bloomington, IL July 20/21 www.lanextremeparty.com. Room for 18 more people. second. HOOTERS!! Same town! I'll get a map for it--but it's by the airport. As for time....I'll say 6 PM, on Friday, July 20th. Anyone interested, just post a reply, and I'll work on what I can.

Hey, we're holding it again this Friday, Aug 20

Sorry Phillip, but due to the laws of conservation of energy*... if I were to wish you a happy birthday, that would mean more happy for you, which would replace my happy birthday with less happy. And I'm a purely selfish bastard...so..unhappy birthday to you, so everyone else may have the happier birthday! Nothing personal *http://www.iversonsoftware.com/reference/chemistry/l/law_of_conservation_of_energy.htm

Actually, my customers ARE home users as well I reccomend no less than a Duron to either group. I deal mostly with gamers(wannabees) and families. I don't get many corporate jobs, and when I do, it's usually troubleshooting/upgrades. not new installations.

if it's the 6 pin(3 ground, 2 3.3, 1 5), it's used in some higher end server boards for extra power(usually these are dual chip boards) for the most part, you won't find them unless you're running a dual pentium. The only dual AMD out has a proprietary supply, and the MSI model coming out soon uses the P4 4pin 12V--not sure if it uses the Aux as well.

hehe sorry about that I just hate seeing people bash a perfectly good chip and platform I feel compelled to defend the best option available. Most of what I see when I deal with customers is delusion about the Pentium, and about clock speeds. I was called up last night to help a person with a virus. They said they would be upgrading soon, from their 64mb P2 333, to a Pentium 4 1.7 ghz. I asked them why they wanted to do that....they said that 1.7 is the fastest they've seen. I laughed, and told them I'd have some paperwork for them when I came by to pick their PC up(mind you this is at 9:15 at night) Just fired up some benchmarks, webpages, etc. and had 20 pages of information for them to read. Independant sources. no bias one way or another, just pure numbers. All of it showed an Athlon, at 1.4ghz(the fastest out right now) surpassing the Pentium4 1.7 in all the tests except for memory tests(which we all know RAMBUS wins at). They were rather surprised. They Will be buying an AMD Athlon next month, not intel. and as for SMP capabilities for Athlons and durons and such....it was AMD itself that I read about the SMP capabilities from. Even the Slot A. There was much speculation about a dual Slot A board a year ago. It's much like Intel's stance on the original Celerons. Support isn't official, but it can sure as hell do it. Especially the Socket A. I can't find the page, but I know that it was anandtech that did the review with dual durons. I will work on finding the page this weekend, unless someone can help out real quick. I'll just leave it at this. If you're not willing to spend some extra time and money researching and preparing/outfitting your rig for an Athlon, then by all means go with an intel. There's more work for the Athlon required. But there's greater benifits. Heat is an issue that is easily dealt with by NOT BUYING A F*CKING $10 COOLERMASTER HEATSINK WITH A 9CFM FAN! Invest in your computer, buy an Alpha or Globalwin, or whoever makes the SK6. OR REALLY invest and buy a Swiftec MC462(or 2 when you go dual 3 months to go!).

wow! What an idiot! Uykucu I'm not one to judge, but that's blatant smearing. And glaring stupidity I'm convinced you're an idiot. AMD Athlon, and AMD Athlon Thunderbird are different chips I had tons of problems with the Athlon(meaning the classic, the slot-A) and Via KX133 chip. It made me switch from AMD to Intel. I hated AMD for a while, only reccomended intel However, toss in a Thunderbird on a KT133, and things are great my 1.1 Tbird and A7V133 had no problems at all. AT ALL. my Duron 750 at stock speeds, runs rings around my PIII 800eb@ 954. NT4 can't run most peripherals anyway. No USB support, remember? ok, so make it 2k(or NT5 as you referred to it as, assuming you didn't mean service pack 5). The problems were dealt with months ago, and the remaining problems deal with the SBLive more than anything else. Solution to that? Get a Hercules XP and listen to what a QUALITY card sounds like! Why do we stick to it? The chip is better than a Pentium 3 Pentium 4? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Give me a break! Like it was mentioned. The majority of rigs out there running Pentium 3 are consumer, or corporation. Corporation goes for Pentium because Intel has a reputation, and their foot in the door Consumers go for Pentium 3s because of THOSE DAMNED DELL COMERCIALS! They go for intel because they know the name. It's always been pentium to those people. They tend to NOT do the research necessary to see the AMD chips kicking intel's *** around the floor, spitting on it, etc. They think the Duron is like a Celeron. The performance is more comparable to Pentium3 though. Hell, my 750 beats out what my Pentium3 did. Assuming you stick to the X86 architecture: Modern Uniprocessor performance rigs usually aren't Pentium 3. Multiprocessor rigs have been Pentium(or Xeon) rigs up till now, simply because there wasn't a chipset out for the AMDs. They had the SMP capability, just not chipset. There are tests with Dual Durons, Dual Thunderbird B and C. and as for cheap processors: Duron 750 costs 25 bucks Celeron 766 costs 50 bucks. The only bad thing about AMD is the power/heat. And if you're smart about your rig, you can deal with that by buying a quality heatsink and power supply. The same care needs to be taken with intel and amd installations. Tinkering? once you do it once, you know what to do from then on, the tinkers are the same. No tweaks needed for my rigs though. At least, nothing I didn't do when running my P3. As for dual AMD versus Dual Pentium 3/Xeon...check the tests. The dual AMDs are greatly surpassing the dual Pentium 3s in most, if not all tests. And there's more boards coming out--the 760mpX boards will be out in a month or 2 most likely. These will only improve upon what the Tyan Thunder is doing, as the mpX chipset is similar to the KT133a vs KT133. If you need the power, why would you waste it on the powerless, soon to be DISCONTINUED Pentium 3 line? Why would you buy a non-upgradable Pentium 4 that was obsolete the day it was released. Until the new chip comes out, the current Willamette is a big mistake. Put on SDR or DDR on an RDRAM chip, you LOSE PERFORMANCE. I hate Rambus, but SDR and DDR will hurt that chip even more than it already is. Ah screw it. Do your research. Do some frickin homework! Then buy AMD. There is no better x86 chip out currently. "To conclude. If it sounds like a duck, looks like one and feels like one then Uykucu is a dumb****"

not a problem!

NTFS and it's not just NT, 2k, and XP that can read it BeOS can too

All AMD 6x86 chips are SMP compatible. Though, not necessarily supported even the K6-2s were SMP capable, they just didn't have a chipset/board to use it. When the Tyan came out, they ran dual Durons on it with no problem They ran dual Athlons on it with no problem They ran dual Athlon MPs on it with-you guessed it. No problem And how's this for my rig this fall(or winter if I hold out)? Black (anodized aluminum) Coldforge AA-15 w/ extra hdd rack(giving me 19 bays total) DUAL Palomino(Athlon MP) 1.4 or 1.5 ghz(depending on what's released) DUAL Swiftech MC462a heatsinks DUAL Delta EHE 80mm 80cfm 53dB fans (on a rheostat or 7/12 switch) DUAL Enermax 465 Power supplies(modded for continuous Panaflo 80H & 92H operation) DUAL Adaptec SCSI controllers(2940U2W, and 39160{which gives me DUAL channels}) giving me a total of 45 devices) DUAL IBM Ultrastar LZX 18gb 10k Ultra 160 DUAL port Compaq NC3122 10/100 Ethernet card DUAL Plextor 12x10x32s(or 24x if they come out with it in time) DUAL(or Four, depending on motherboard) Corsair/Crucial PC2400(or PC2600 if released) 256 mb DIMMS. DUAL Panaflo 120mm H series for exhaust DUAL Panaflo 120mm M series for hdd cooling(intake) DUAL Panaflo 120mm M series for system cooling(intake) and for the stuff that isn't dual -undetermined- 760mp(x) motherboard(MSI, maybe?) Hercules Game Theater XP IBM 4.5gb 7.2k U2W -undetermined- GeForce 3 or better Removeable(hotswap) 20GB IBM 60GXP or 9GB IBM U2W Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer w/ Ratpad things that will not grace my computer: floppy modem AOL legacy devices(no parallel-unless for LCD-, no ISA, no serial) all this in addition to my current rig(check sig), which will remain unchanged unless I decide to grab an Athlon

waiting on the MSI or another board. I have until October for everyone to get their boards released. and yes, the fans will sound loud...until I get a rheo or 7/12 switch hooked up.

I took my 800eb past 1 ghz I left it at 954 for most of the time though. the OC wasn't that high(159 fsb vs 133), but the bus speed was a lot better than I'd expect on an 800e(126 vs 100) I'd say grab the eb, and shoot for a 150 fsb(900mhz)

Bump, cause it's tonight!

I won't for my computer. but, for a LAN rig or for other people, sure. I'm going almost all DUAL. Dual Palominos Dual Swiftec MC462a Dual Delta 80mm 80CFM(53 decibel) fans Dual Enermax 465 PSUs Dual IBM 18gb 10k rpm U160 drives Dual Adaptec SCSI controllers(of which the 39160 is a Dual Channel SCSI 160 controller in and of itself!) Compaq NC3122 Dual port 10/100 NIC Dual 256mb Corsair or Crucial PC2400/2600 DIMMS

Then Directron is your best bet. Probably an Inwin Q500

What's your price range? what do you want in a computer? mid tower, full tower? if you want towers under a hundred bucks, go to www.directron.com if your range is above 100 and want some damned good rigs...look at Chenbro cases... www.coolcases.com Jim's a good guy-he has great cases. I'm running a Chenbro Junior right now that I got from directron...just because they had the new ones, and Jim didn't at the time. if you're starting from scratch, I'll plug my system for you. I have a Supermicro 760A filled with fans(2 120mm AC powered Sunons on the side), a 6x Pioneer DVD, 8x4x32 Iomega CDRW, and a 52x CDROM. All painted black. I'll look for more pics--Geocities screwed me on my collection there. http://www.midwestfrag.org/files/frag6_imgs/DSC00008.JPG

you can show up that night w/o warning if you want.....but we'd appreciate a signup prior to that....just to get an idea of what all to set up it's all good===we hold it no matter what

here's what we do 1. we don't screw up the URL. hehe. Fixed it now though 2. we play games, CS, UT, Q3A, etc. I'm pushing for Tribes 2. 3. we "back up" our important software on someone else's computer

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Hey, how do you set it so IE does NOT try to play videos? I think I hit the wrong button, and now IE is trying to play the movies, and not media player 6.4. I want it to go back to 6.4. (I refuse to instal 7.X)

I'm at a bit of a loss. UT and Quake 3, I only play at LANS. I'm SICK OF HL and all mods. I'm too good at Tribes2(that or everyone else just sucks), and find no enjoyment in scoring 90% of the flag captures. Black & White is too slow to jump into a game and have fun for half an hour. I don't like sports games or RPGs. Are there any interesting games that are worth my hard earned cash out there?

3 hours from Chicago, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Quad Cities. www.lanextremeparty.com 9pm to 9pm Friday/Saturday June 8/9 Food and Soda (should be) provided CS, UT, Q3A tourneys planned; any other games desired will be played as well. $15