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you know, I certainly admire an otherwise amazing ability to walk past the obvious. You got the forward of the mail I got. I only know what I was told by the vp of marketing and by a rep from intel. The last I was told was pretty much wait for a decision on where to send the board back to. I also have two rehashed thunderbolts to show for the trouble (not a good move on their part) and pretty much moved on from it. resolved the problem with the board though, interesting design. even promising but not quite upto much. I am glad you got through yours alright, and its otherwise great yours works as it should (or seems to) but no luck here. No future support for yours (and that's the word from AMI not tyan) and whatever. Gave it some thought. Maybe Tyan made a bad move on this with me. Maybe they simply fed me this to get rid of me. maybe they didn't really mean for it to happen and maybe , just maybe they sent me 2 thunderbolts because they couldn't produce another 840 that works like yours? who knows..but more..does it matter. but I will ask this. does it matter that much to you that other people did have problems with it. More to the point, why berate me on the issue. I didn't produce the chipset or the design. it simply didn't work on this side. Tyan isn't shipping them. and who knows what will happen with it, if anything. Likely nothing if intel follows their usual track. The GX had heat problems in the first fab, it was known but treated on a by incident. It got fixed and didn't become a publicity issue and in the end the fix part was what counted. And the only part that counts on any part of it. btw..I have read your posts on the sblive problems others are having. ood that you're blessed..some (most) seemingly aren't You seem to have great luck, because I doubt it seriously it has anything to do with config savvy. So don't bother being an ass to me don't be an ass to the rest of them either. I have my facts straight. but then again I only have the word of a marketing vp. is it worth much to me or anyone? This isn't a debate. simply a post I figured should be made, if they decide nothing, if they fix everything. Does it matter? Only to those effected. but apparently not you

best recommended all around would be the tyan thunderbolt either 1837-Raid Port version or well...no or to it... go with it...you'll be pretty good. 6 pci slots 1 agp 2x 1 isa dual channel ultra2 scsi 10-100 Network port audio pci 128 audio all onboard..pretty sweet and deals with everything cpu wise upto 933 intell P-III or the via verstion but heard they are slow memory performers.. and none of the onboard goodies so it may not be for you

look in the news archive for this month under the update that intel posted for their hub as well

well, okay..intel did do one worthwhile thing this week in providing the audio pci/64/128 drivers creative has been refusing to for months now. it re-enables the wavetable sets and the other features the new creative drivers don't.. enjoy them I've gone back to the thunderbolt GX platform from the 840 for now and I'm enjoying them just fine...ALONG with the sblive

btw... schmoe..ronin...can either of you tell me why exactly the config seems unworkable to either of you...or suggestions on the state of it 1 agp pro slot 6 pci slots and intels vaunted *compatibility* seems like it shoud have been fine the same config worked without a hitch in the 1837 thunderbolts in two previous workstations..minus the geforce (tnt ultra in those) and schmoe I'm mildly offended with the [censored] thing. I'm asking a serious question and making a serious statement. Not looking for a flame or an inquisition. Ronin, I offered up the original post to let you and anyone else know what was going on in this specific case and that it affected the rest of you. Not to advise going one way or the other with it or doing anything at all if you choose. and definitely not to catch a slam over the fact I have a limited amount of resources to do my work in or the choices in hardware that came because of it. I spec'd this as closely as I could to what the 840 was designed to support. did the footwork on compatibility and still came up empty. I already feel **** upon by tyan and intel over it and while I'm sure it amuses the hell out of poeple to see others suffering with problems..I kind of felt bitten for trying let anyone know there is a problem and some sort of forthcoming action (whatever form it takes) coming on the possibly isolated or not so isolated issues with this. feel good about yourselves gentlemen.. but my day hasn't improved much for it

well, servers are overratted...and a bit burdensome for media authoring..though advanced server does seem like a nice option..maybe after I sort out the other silliness.. this is more of a workstation the oddity of the wintv-d hdtv monitoring on the input the majority of the work is done in multitrack audio and midi video is only for sync purposes and I can't justify a targa type board for simple monitoring the geforce..simply for overhead..seemed the logical choice..although I really seem to not like those video cards that much..problems with irq locking and lack of compatibility but I guess mileage varies the other components are simply practical..raid 0 pairs.. speed..not mirroring the scsi lvd boot disk for the same the dvd ram as a scratch disk for working the cdr is obvious the other components are just as they are.. the modem is a throwback.. never use it dsl access..but figured it might be useful for something so I keep it around and yes, pizza schmoe

video and audio development as well as vb and sql programming.. 1gb ramdisk config..like I said a professional use machine.. you guys don't get out much do you?

as far as belief in it.. I've been down for 15 days and lost about 20k over this so far. don't interpret this as a flam. it isn't.. simple to let you know it's on the horizon and what to expect. I don't know why they pulled it.. personally in anticipation of more memory issues or maybe to replace it with yet another bogus chipset or to further the rambus fiasco..who knows? belief is simple..i've lost time, money and my nerves on this and been **** upon for my troubles. I simply saw the tip of the iceberg, whether anyone has simlar problems results a\or even cares is irrelevant to me. simply letting it be known that its coming..is my ONLY point.

whole thing went a bit like this..ronin you're blessed that you've had no problems..whether by virtue of luck or lack of hardware requirements..who knows.. I'm pretty demanding but I'm also a system builder..so I already know theoretically what the spec can support..but without proper bios support or anything else..what to do? the 2400 had these problems out of the shoot. definitely not tested for pro use or much else for that matter. the config was unworkable and crashed incessantly. configed as 2400 board..revision b dual 667mhz 133mhz cpus 2 gb pc133 sram creative geforce pro ddr (unworkable because of irq locking in the bios - bios problem 1) creative sblive w/livedrive II 9onboard sound wouldn't shut off, even with bios fix and crashed the sblive - bios problem 2) creative usb modem creative drx3 promise fastrak66 with dual raid 0 configuration (raid card knocked out the onboard scsi - bios problem 3) seagate 18.1 lvd hd 6 wd 20.5 gb hd - 4 on the raid controller creative 8x4x32 cdrw - which didn't recognize on the secondary channel ide creative 8x dvd creative dvd-ram seagate 20gb tape backup iomega jaz -usb iomega zip 250 -usb hauppauge win-tv d all bios related issues..now here's the funny part...ami refused to issue a fix.which tyan had already promised and hung me up almost 4 days for.which opened the discussion about lawyers and after that about intels plans to pull the chipset altogether from the person who did try to make the situation right for me or seemed to anyway at the time. the details of where and who gets the shaft and who covers what isn't worked out..which is why no post on the site I would expect. they offered to and did ship two thunderbolts to fix the immediate downtime..but those were refurbs 9shocking to me-considering I didn't buy the 2400 as a refurb) and both are idiosyncratic (one with restart/reboot issues the other, simply doa) to the degree I'm not trusting either board and going to asus for a worthy replacement. it's not that I want to grabass on their failure, its simply that I use these for my business, How the hell am I supposed to do much with any of that..? truth be told..I think tyan licked the problem with the memory thing. but without intels support..ami or anyone else won't be able to much and it becomes yet another mess we can blame intel for. a shame really... still have faith they can make great boards but this has been one of those circumstances where it just didn't come together for me.

You might want to keep this in mind though.. according to the tech dept..no forthcoming updates will be supported on either the firmare or bios of the board..meaning it won't be garaunteed for future expansion or capability and unfortunately acpi will have another revision with win2001...but the stance on things may indeed change depending on what the professional community does in reaction to all this.. hell they [intel] might even actually try to fix it...

Well..the powers that be at intel have pulled the plug on the SRAM boards from both classes.. the 820's are already done..the i840's are going to be recalled in their entirety later this week. How do I know.. had a problem with the tyan 2400. and a big and enduring problem with tyan over it. which is on the verge of going legal with their "remedy" to the situation. to ship me two unstable (refurbished)1837 thunderbolt boards to replace my new 2400 thunder board. after jerking me around 8 days on the phone and costing me two contracts. Normally I'm pretty cool with things and I'm not going to say they didn't try entirely. but a huge phonebill, lost work and the replacement of the board with refurbished ones? what the hell? the terms of the settlement and where to send them back to is being worked out over the last week.. so they couldn't even tell me where to send it back to. figure I'll hear something eventually. personally, I hope theuir current development goes well..they've got some really cool stuff coming for the fall.. its just that that didn't and continues not to help me in the meantime..and for those wondering. It appears intels going with the same rambus swap they did on the 820's. upto 256 maxx..which leaves the professionals out in the cold..once again.. I say go with the serverworks boards when their available..the specs I won't discuss here but they look s*** hot and superior to the intel spec for the 840 in nearly every way. I'm not going to pound tyan on this. not their fault. this like the 820 goes straight to intels doorstep. damn i miss andy groves some days (paranoid megalomanic was a ***** but damned if he couldn't keep the company on track and in most cases from shipping bullsh**)

no luck the board is dangerously flawed at the bios level..tyans going to issue an emergency bios post within the next 72.. (or so they said) until then..be careful about crashes with the game port..current bios doesn't disable it..or the ac97 completely the creative geforce is hellishly sensitive to shared irq..so thats only half tyans fault but the fastrak 66 cards run dead into the same scsi bios drop out for the onboard scsi that the thunderbolt had earler this year.. talk about shipping betaware no irq steering .no override.. and even a legacy problem they already fixed on their last flagship board.. pity but I will give it this pretty doorstop but on the plus side tech6 down at tyan does know his **** on at least some of it..primarily the fastrak and he got some motion going we'll see.. let me know how it goes for you

I have a geforce that seems to share with the onboard nic and crash it about every 7 seconds.. tyans at a loss creative says move the irq ami says huh? and tweakbios barely recognizes anything in the system suggestions?

Okay odd thing..works fine with the ultra tnt 2 the 5.22 drivers from creative seem to work fine alone but the blaster control seems to crash the driver when I try to tweak it reinstalling the blaster control does the same thing on init for install the webcam go does the same.. odd thing but not surprising for creative like their stuff but question their support alot of the time.. any ideas..or anyone else with the same? tyan thunder 2400 dual 700 1GB PC 100 Dimms Creative 8X DVD ROM Creative DVD RAM Creative 8X4X32 CDRW 6 WD 20.5 GB HD USB JAZ USB Zip USB Modem Blaster USB WEBCAM GO assorted extras