Whistler 2296 Beta 1: My thoughts

[pr-man 1]

Well guys I formatted fresh last night in anticipation for testing out the latest beta of Whistler pro. Here are some of my thoughts and things I noticed.

 

Good:

Extremely stable (and its Beta 1 )

 

Boots up in half the time win2k pro takes

 

detected and installed 95% of my hardware off the bat

 

applications seem to load up faster than in win2k pro

 

Comes with Directx8 and IE 5.6 built in

 

TCP/IP code is even better than win2k pro, my 56k was screaming last night

 

WMP 7 loads up in like 2 secs now instead of 2 years in WinME

 

Bad:

Takes forever to shutdown

 

Has stupid system restore from Winme built in

 

with win2k drivers install my G450 32 meg has no 3d

accelaration at all

 

Literally eats ram for breakfast, after fresh boot I had 24 megs out of 128 megs left

 

Slow response when reading from cdrom drives

 

Stupid animated slow ass help from WinME

 

 

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Celeron II 566@952 on a Abit BE6 Rev 1, 128 Pc100, Matrox G450 32 DH,

SBlive Value, Supra Express 56i ISA and other odds and ends

 

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[jdulmage 0]

Takes forever to shutdown:

 

Because they are watching themselves, remember with windows me where if your computer shut off faster than the cache could be saved to the drive or something like that, it could crash, cause errors and also because it's safer to shut down slower, trust me, gives Windows time to clean up the mess.

 

 

System Restore:

 

Stupid? What are you smoking? That's another thing that is beautiful, stops some of the users from *****ing when their system screws up and happens to be a very smart thing to have in there.

 

 

with win2k drivers......

 

Whistler = Win2k = not true. If your going to install Win2k drivers to Whistler, than expect some problems, don't ***** about it

 

 

Eats RAM

 

Really? New GUI, doing many changes of 9x and NT to it....hmm, common sense buddy.

 

 

Slow response when reading CD

 

Not here it doesn't and not on my friend's machine, your CD-rom must suck or something.

 

 

Slow ass help from WinMe?

 

Use the compatibility mode shortcut thing that appears on your desktop, it's better than the slow ass winme thing.

 

 

 

 

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[DosFreak 2]

"Because they are watching themselves, remember with windows me where if your computer shut off faster than the cache could be saved to the drive or something like that, it could crash, cause errors and also because it's safer to shut down slower, trust me, gives Windows time to clean up the mess."

 

Partly correct. Their is more crap for NT to deal with so it takes longer to shut it all down (Services, new GUI, System Restore). The ME cache thing has nothing at all to do with NT.

 

 

"Whistler = Win2k = not true. If your going to install Win2k drivers to Whistler, than expect some problems, don't ***** about it"

 

TRUE. Wether you want to admit it or not Whistler at it's core is Windows 2000. Windows 2000 drivers will work perfectly fine in Whistler. Also he's not ***** about it. He's describing a problem not complaining.

 

 

"Eats RAM

 

Really? New GUI, doing many changes of 9x and NT to it....hmm, common sense buddy."

 

Yeah, it's pretty sad when your OS eats up 100m of ram all by itself. Sad indeed. The GUI has ALOT of work. For instance the slow responsiveness of the GUI is partly due to the fact that it performs it using Blits.

 

 

"Slow response when reading CD

 

Not here it doesn't and not on my friend's machine, your CD-rom must suck or something."

 

In Build 2257 Whistler was tottally unable to see my DVD drive at all. It's likely that they modified th Atapi driver's. If you rip them out of 2000 then you should be able to get it working.

 

"Use the compatibility mode shortcut thing that appears on your desktop, it's better than the slow ass winme thing."

 

The slowass help stuff is extremely annoying. Hopefully the PRO versions of Whistler won't have all the crap the Personal versions do.

[pr-man 1]

ROFL After consulting with the pyshic friends network and also with jdulmage himself we have determined that he was under the influence of the **Extremely bad morning** and **[censored] Starved** viruses simaltaneously. I agree that it is impossible for a human being to withstand the influences of both. Under these circumstances I take no offense from his statements LOL

 

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Celeron II 566@875 on a Abit BH6 Rev 1.01, 128 Pc100, Matrox G450 32 DH,

SBlive Value, Supra Express 56i ISA, Win98FE

[jdulmage 0]

pr-man is right...lol

 

now for DosFreak, you list a lot of problems that people have when they run it on a crappy system, slow? never slow here. Problems? not a problem here....100 M RAM eaten? get a life...but like I have said before, you gonna complain about it, don't install it. end of story. Err and I may as well add in, it's like saying i'll stay with Windows 3.11 because I don't like the start menu in 95. they are very childish complaints about the OS. It's like saying, take out the help sections, nobody needs them.

 

 

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[pr-man 1]

Actually Dosfreak the version im using is the Pro version and it still has alot of the slow pretty WinME stuff LOL, hopefully they dont put that stuff in either OS.

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Celeron II 566@952 on a Abit BE6 Rev 1, 128 Pc100, Matrox G450 32 DH,

SBlive Value, Supra Express 56i ISA, Win98FE

 

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[DosFreak 2]

"now for DosFreak, you list a lot of problems that people have when they run it on a crappy system, slow? never slow here. Problems? not a problem here....100 M RAM eaten? get a life"

 

I have note listed people with alot of problems. I just quoted your quotes of pr-man.

 

Have you never heard of optimization? Oh I'm big bad man with 1g of ram an unoptimized buggy GUI that wasted 40m more ram than it needs is no bother to me. Man, I'm glad you don't code and if you do code I hope nobody uses your code.

[DosFreak 2]

note=never

[jdulmage 0]

*snicker*..

 

this has turned into a non-facts war. I love when people complain or say bad things when a product isn't close to being done. Throw them the meat, watch them run right for it..

[DosFreak 2]

Who are you talking to jdulmage? Me? It must be me I guess because I'm the only one who responded to your post. pr-man posted his thoughts on Whistler and you immediately and bashed him because someone said something bad about "your" os. Since when did this post become fictional? I've responded honestly and truthfully to every post so far so I guess the fictional part of the postage would have to be coming from someone other than pr-man and me. Hmmmm, I wonder who that could be?

 

Jdulmage it's a good thing you aren't on the Ars forums because you wouldn't last 5 seconds on the Batttlefront with your crap.

[jdulmage 0]

and once again, I threw out the meat, he ran for it. This is exactly how I got that big post in the Other section going. I just kept doing this and you kept coming back for more meat, it's funny....and I guess pr-man fell for it too.

 

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[DosFreak 2]

Well this can thread can degenerate into useless garbage posts (at which you seem to excel) or it can actually be an informative read to the people of this board. Which shall it be?

 

 

(It looks to me like you posted the last post because I have gone way over your head and you've got nothing left to back you up. Prove me wrong.)

[jdulmage 0]

yeah, your right...

I'm backing off...

 

Here is what I want to see in Beta 2:

 

The removal of IE 5.6, and the addition of IE 6 beta in it's place

 

The finished DX8 (duh)

 

The ability to be able to install Whistler, win2k and win9x drivers to whistler with full functionality.

 

MORE COMPATIBILITY. The compatibility is good now, but more more more, lol

 

And the obvious bugs fixed that people found.

 

 

That's all.

[DosFreak 2]

I want Dos sound & Vesa emulation dangit.

 

arrgh, gotta go home. Be back in 12hrs.

[jdulmage 0]

VESA? lol...

 

oh well, gotta make a few phone calls...