Ok this is one of the strangest problems. Please help.

[imtim2 0]

Ok i recently brought a new athlon xp 1800+ retail processor and a Leadtek GF4 ti 4400 my vivo video card. Ok when i first installed it i was using windows 2000 pro with sp2 i even tried sp3 with it to see if that was my problem but it didn't help anything. Ok but in windows 2000 pro with sp3 i will freeze in games every now and then. It doesn't always happen. Most of the time it happens in 30 mins to 2 hours + in a game. I mean it just totally freezes my whole system. I tried everything to figure it out. Even disabling ACPI. Ok here goes for the strange part. I chose to go to Windows XP because someone told me they had a problem like this and when they went to Windows XP it fixed their problem. So heck i said why not so i did that and guess what? I got no freezing in my games at all. Heck i even ran 3dmark2001SE for like 12 hours if not more. Didn't even freeze in 3dmark2001SE either. I don't get it. Everything is the same when i went to Windows XP. My case sides are still on. I know its not a heating issue if games don't freeze on Windows XP. Thing is i wish i could go back to windows 2000 but i can't sense it freezes in games Did MS do this lol ? Does anyone have the slightest idea how the OS that use the same kernal could have no freezes in games then the other have the freezes ? I don't get it. I mean heck i had ACPI left on in windows 2000 pro just like i have ACPI on in my Windows XP that is working fine.

 

Thanks.

[sapiens74 0]

If you are running a Via based chipset, then the default drivers in XP are stable. If you install Windows 2000 you need to do it in this order.

 

Fresh Install

 

Then INstall SP2 or 3

 

Then Install 4 in 1 Drivers

 

Then Video Drivers

 

Then Any other dirvers that are left.

 

Then Try it.

[imtim2 0]

sapiens74 ok whenever i get another chance after i backup i will try that thanks. Hope it works whenever i try it. Strange how you have to do it certain order to work. I don't install drivers like that in windows xp to have it work.

[sapiens74 0]

Installing the 4 in 1 sets the whole thing in motion.

 

Once thats done you can install all your other stuff, and it will work

 

Windows 2000 Doesnt identify VIa chipsets correctly, whereas XP does. So telling Windows 2000 how to use the Via chipset, then those device drivers can properly interact with the OS

[imtim2 0]

sapiens74 thanks. i know i did install the via chipsets before when i was trying to fix it for those 30 days. Guess it was not in the right order i am thinking.

[sapiens74 0]

I hope it all works out.

 

I used to get those same lockups way back when, then finally got it down, on how to configure it.

[imtim2 0]

sapiens74 thanks once again! Whenever i try it i will try to let you know if it worked. I guess i will make a new topic or reply in this one.

[Four and Twenty 0]

thats why i like intel

far less headaches

[CyberGenX 0]

Here we go with the Intel thing again... x) My machine works great, never got one headache. No Intel inside. Both Intel and AMD are great just avoid buying sh^tty complimentary components and you'll do fine. Double click on VIA 4in1 for VIA chips and reboot. For Intel chips it's 1 less reboot. The headaches come from MS.

[BladeRunner 0]

So it's Microsoft's fault now that VIA could not write drivers that could be "qualified" in time for the Win2k release and not VIA's inability to write nice stable drivers that get updated nearly as regularly as NVidia drivers?

Fair enough I guess, but not the way I viewed it.

[CyberGenX 0]

You know now that you mention it, it could be MS, the old Wintel alliance striking down VIA before 2K's release, this would impact VIA just like it is now. No, what I was saying is that MS is the cause of the majority of computer headaches, not VIA. My point being that if it is a "headache" to double click a driver-set and reboot you shouldn't be jacking with OS installs or what have you to begin with.

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You know now that you mention it, it could be MS, the old Wintel alliance striking down VIA before 2K's release, this would impact VIA just like it is now. No, what I was saying is that MS is the cause of the majority of computer headaches, not VIA. My point being that if it is a "headache" to double click a driver-set and reboot you shouldn't be jacking with OS installs or what have you to begin with.

Um, right. Sure thing bud. That's why MS deliberately decided to make Via's memory controller one of the worst in the business. Oh, and they deliberately stepped in to make AMD's life miserable and re-engineered the Via southbridge so that it would suck. Hmm, I could continue, but there's no point.

[CyberGenX 0]

Uh it was a joke, didn't you see the

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Actually, I saw this little bit right here:

 

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No, what I was saying is that MS is the cause of the majority of computer headaches, not VIA.

 

And again, you lay claim to another ridiculous statement. ;(

[CyberGenX 0]

Ok so your saying that MS Windows OSes do not cause people headaches? That it's all the fault of VIA and other hardware manu.s!

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Actually, I am saying that it's ridiculous to blame the company that helped *standardize* the PC platform by being so popular to begin with. It's quite moronic to hold them responsible when you really can't prove either way. They have software on over 90% of the workstations and PCs on the planet, so it seems to me that they had to be doing something right. Now, if you want to proclaim something about "it was their marketing that made me use them" or "I had no choice", then you are either a spineless wonder or a liar.

 

Get over it, MS was biased toward Intel, but *never* made themselves exclusive to them. Other platforms that are so "stable", such as Sun's Solaris, have the main advantage of having all of the hardware controlled by the same manufacturer as the software, thereby assuring integration. Intel had the cash to make every effort in getting their hardware to shine with MS products, while AMD was still maxing out 486s just to keep up in the speed war. Intel made sure that when you think of using MS products, you can feel confident in getting an Intel-based product (and it worked) even without being strictly regulated by the software manufacturer (unlike Sun, and to some extent Novell). Hell, how many times have you actually seen drivers *TRULY* be certified by MS to work with a given OS? What about software? How many apps have you worked with that are "certified" rather than "compliant"? There are too many naive people out there that aren't even remotely in touch with how things work in the PC world, yet they have the biggest mouths to "share" their wonderful insight. Imagine that.

[sapiens74 0]

LOL

 

Normally I would jump at the chance to Kick Via a couple times.

 

But I think I better stay outta Clutch's way

[CyberGenX 0]

Rephrase: Most headaches come from regular users misunderstanding of Windows and how to use it.

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Rephrase: Most headaches come from regular users misunderstanding of Windows and how to use it.

Bingo. This is another reason why you see Linux doing so well as far as stability goes. Many, many users of this OS have gone through Hell and back trying to get most of their basic things to work on it, so they know it inside and out. I have crashed many a Linux box trying to get it working (and trashed them to a point with a system driver install that I had to reinstall), so I know it can be done . As its popularity grows (along with its porky avg installed size), you can count on reports of it crashing more and more coming out. I still find the OS interesting and worth learning, although WINE is turning out to be a bigger pain in the a$$ than I thought it would be...

[CyberGenX 0]

I tried Mandrake 8.2 for a while, still not enough app support to warrant a "main OS switch". I am a huge LinuX fan, but just wish that it would support 80% as much as MS's.

[sapiens74 0]

I like Mandrake. Probably my favorite Distro.

 

Anyone tried the 9.0 beta?

[adamvjackson 0]

9.0 Final was released yesterday... Good luck finding a fast mirror though... Took me about 7 hours to download the 3 cds. (Thats on a 1.5Mb connection on my end, nowhere near maxed in that transfer...)

[sapiens74 0]

I tried the last beta like a week ago was getting like 2.0 k downloads.

 

 

might try kazaa